Hello, tone-policing genocide-defender and/or carnist 👋
Instead of being mad about words, maybe you should think about why the words bother you more than the injustice they describe.
Have a day!
They did not release the final model without the data
They literally did exactly that. Show me the training data. If it has been provided under an open source license, then I’ll revise my statement.
You literally cannot create a useful LLM without the training data. That is a part of the framework used to create the model, and they kept that proprietary. It is a part of the source. This is such an obvious point that I should not have to state it.
You’re conflating game engines being open source with the games themselves being proprietary. Proprietary products can use (some) open source things, but it doesnt make the end product open source.
Given that LLMs literally need the training data to be worth anything, releasing the final model without training data is not open source.
My use of the word “stealing” is not a condemnation, so substitute it with “borrowing” or “using” if you want. It was already stolen by other tech oligarchs.
You can call the algo open source if the code is available under an OSS license. But the larger project still uses proprietary training data, and therefor the whole model, which requires proprietary training data to function is not open source.
I mean, god bless 'em for stealing already-stolen data from scumfuck tech oligarchs and causing a muti-billion dollar devaluation in the AI bubble. If people could just stop laundering the term “open source”, that’d be great.
You won’t see me on the side of the “debate” that launders language in defense of the owning class ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Yes. That solution would be to not lie about it by calling something that isn’t open source “open source”.
That’s fine if you think the algorithm is the most important thing. I think the training data is equally important, and I’m so frustrated by the bastardization of the meaning of “open source” as it’s applied to LLMs.
It’s like if a normal software product provides a thin wrapper over a proprietary library that you must link against calling their project open source. The wrapper is open, but the actual substance of what provides the functionality isn’t.
It’d be fine if we could just use more honest language like “open weight”, but “open source” means something different.
The training data is the important piece, and if that’s not open, then it’s not open source.
I don’t want the data to avoid using the official one. I want the data so that so that I can reproduce the model. Without the training data, you can’t reproduce the model, and if you can’t do that, it’s not open source.
The idea that a normal person can scrape the same amount and quality of data that any company or government can, and tune the weights enough to recreate the model is absurd.
I’m not seeing the training data here… so it looks like the answer is yes, it’s not actually open source.
Is it actually open source, or are we using the fake definition of “open source AI” that the OSI has massaged into being so corpo-friendly that the training data itself can be kept a secret?
Yeah. It’s scary to see how many freaks can be convinced otherwise are all over the place.
Trump’s a Nazi, so supporting a genocidal ethnostate is perfectly ideologically consistent for him.
I think ethnostates are bad though, and only a dipshit or a monster would support them.
Here’s a neat tip:
You can go to most publisher or developer pages on Steam and “ignore” them to prevent Steam from ever showing you their slop again.
Example:
You can do the same with EA, 2K, etc. Don’t even give these parasites microseconds of your time when they release their next slop title.
Friendly reminder that conflating Jewish people with Israel is highly antisemitic.
Ethnostates should not exist. They will always result in the exclusion and harm of the excluded groups, as we are seeing now with the government of said ethnostate attempting to genocide Palestinians.
Both Nazis and the genocidal government of Israel are willing to enact violence to uphold their ethnostates, so in that regard, comparing Zionism (not Jewish people) to other ideologies that aim to build ethnostates is perfectly apt.
Hope this helps 🥰
If you’re mad that the flag of Israel is depicted next to a Nazi logo, I would remind you that Israel is not the same thing as Jewish people, nor does it represent them. Israel is representative of a Zionist nation-state, and nothing more.
Both of the ideologies depicted in this meme are centered around genocidal ethnostates, so nothing being said is untrue.
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The relevant parts of the comment thread was about the claim that the model is open source. Below, you will find the subject of the comments bolded, for your better understanding of the conversation at hand:
many more inane comments…
And your most recent inane comment…
Well, cool. No one ever claimed that “the tech” was not included or that parts of their process were open sourced. You answered a question that no one asked. The question was asking if the model itself is actually open source. No one has been able to substantiate the claim that the model is open source, which has made talking to you a giant waste of time.