TheUniqueOne

You murdering monster

We make way more than enough food to feed everyone hell even everyone at the highest projected world population we will reach around 2050 its malthusian to advocate killing the poor to “control population of humans.” Animals are people they have subjective experience wishes wants. You can’t define people in a way to include humans and not other animals. Animals are sentient all science supports this that you deny it doesn’t change it neither does your anecdote. Your hamster probably ate its young because its stressed you are enslaving it. I hope your murdering ass chokes and dies in agony,

Your are now arguing for malthusianism the human population isn’t a problem. I want to be vegan because animals are people with lives of their own, who have families, who want to live and who have no real difference to humans. The fact that you are justifying the mass slaughter of people with nonsense arguments of word salad makes you a monster who nobody should ever love. Advocating the way you suggest wouldn’t be fighting against the commodity status of animals all it would do is make some people consume minuscule less meat not stop the ongoing genocide. You are a monster.

Animals rape other animals should it be okay for you to rape others as well?

Again you just ignored my other point that even if you are right again scientifically that’s a big if the broader idea to decrease deaths would still be to completely end animal agriculture.

Local ranchers can’t provide any reasonable kind of meat or dairy production for our population no matter how much the ideal farm you are picturing is a myth still using widespread abuse of the animals. Cows would live in drastically lesser numbers on sanctuaries and such. Breeding a population to kill for your sense pleasure isn’t justified unless you would be okay doing the same to humans.

They said they would eat humans if it was legal and healthy so no i wasn’t being unreasonable. Also there is no difference between killing a human and killing another animal so supporting eating one and not the other is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Not even going to try to argue against my point that even if i ceded this ground you are still wrong?

This study shows nothing but plants respond to stimulus without a brain or nervous system to classify this is a pain response is reaching. Noting that the person interviewed in that article is a philosopher not a scientist and interprets that study very loosely. As I said already though even if you cede this ground you shouldn’t you just wind up at eliminating animal agriculture to lessen the “suffering” of plants as well as animals.

Plants aren’t capable of feeling pain and are not capable of subjectivity all science currently supports this. Even if you thought plants are sentient (they are not) the best way to lessen plant harm would include as a key precipice the end of animal agriculture.

So you’re against the farming of animals then and just support eating road kill and such?

Water consumption doesn’t say everything and cashews are an extreme example where water use is concerned. Greenhouse grass emissions, land use and many other metrics tell a wider and more accurate story.

https://ourworldindata.org/carbon-footprint-food-methane

I said in non hunter gatherer societies. In sedentary societies meat was a sign of upper class luxury. The fact the we have evolutionary advantages for hunting prey says nothing about how we should structure society one way or another.

As long as you consume animal products you are actively participating in their ongoing mass murder.

Because I am generally against killing people for sensory pleasure purposes. Are you not?

Do you not see a difference if I step on an ant while walking or if I search for ants to drown for my pleasure?

Humans taste great. Kind of like chicken. You should try sometime if it tastes good its okay right?

The majority of farming is for animal feed we could easily scale down plant and vegetable farming while eliminating animal exploitation and still see everyone feed.

You know the majority of grain and such is used as animal feed. To minimize suffering animal exploitation has to end no using animals for food, clothing, research or other goods.

Factory farming is widespread and constitutes the overwhelming majority in output of the dairy and meat industry. Not that cows are there for you to use anyway.