Tar_Alcaran

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And even IF there is some kind of “illegal person”, they still shouldn’t freeze, starve or get kidnapped off the street by masked thugs.

“I was lynched” says man who very clearly is still alive.

Lynching isn’t always hanging, but it IS always killing.

Because he wants to.

I think we have very little to say to each other.

I mean, you’re on the only instance I block. That was a given. It’s pretty enlightening to see how your brain works though

This is an extremely strange way to describe the Chinese Civil War and the Second Sino-Japanese War. At best reductive in the extreme and at worst comically misleading.

It’s literally the definition of a civil war.

OK, so you do understand at least some of the differences between civil war and settler colonialism.

Is the difference that ita colonialism if you need a boat to get there? Because I should point out Taiwan is an island.

The Chinese nation is unquestionably older than any European or North American nation embodied in the current European and North American states, because there is unquestionably a Chinese culture that can be traced from those previous polities, which considered themselves Chinese.

And this would be that cherrypicking I mentioned. I don’t fault that, because every method is cherrypicking, because there isn’t a “true” or “best” system.

What I do fault is that you seem to be completely incapable of recognizing it when it happens on your team, but can spot it easily when going “America bad”.

China has been around for thousands.

China as it is now was formed by having a giant fucking war against people who were ready to die to prevent themselves from being part of China as it is now. Just like pretty much every other country in all of history.

The difference between china (and pretty much every other country in Europe and Asia) and the is that those wars were at least mostly fought by people who actually lived there.

My point is, you can’t just say “this country is X years old”, because it almost never is, and it always depends on cherry picking. You can say Germany turns 36 this year, or you can say it turns 1226. Italy was either created in 1946, or the 3600 years ago at the founding of Rome. China can start with the Zhou dynasty 3000 years ago, or with Mao 70 years ago.

None of those are completely true, and yet they aren’t entirely wrong either. Thats why these maps are stupid. Proclaiming your state to be the best because some people had a state where yours now is is pretty dumb.

And ALL of them got where they are by killing people who didn’t want to be part of their state. Every single one.

The thing is, no part of the land that currently falls under the Peoples Republic of China has been part of the PRC for more than 100 years, because the PRC didn’t exist before 1949. Almost all of the US predates that, except for (I think) Hawaii.

Were the Chinese Imperial dynasties the same thing as the PRC is now? And even if it was, the Republic of China was in between the two, and it even still exists.

So, you can complain about the US, but the Chinese state is MUCH newer, and had a huge fucking war about large swathes of it not wanting to belong to the state relatively recently.

Both maps aren’t extremely disingenuous.

Going to play devil’s advocate here a bit, but the US has had a continuous state since 1789 for parts of it, since the civil war for other parts, and the late 50s for small bits. It should be half orange, half yellow, with splotches of white.

The current Chinese state was formed in 1949. This entire map should be white. The Republic of China predates its formation by at least a year, and one could argue by some 30 years.

A much better meme

Both can be true.

But then how can I show my side is better?

Glad to see that at least the straight up Chinese propaganda gets downvoted, even if it does stay up.

Repeat after me: authoritarian states are not leftist.

I don’t really know any specifically leftist community here that takes action against tankies. Could you link me some?

They’re .ml accounts, you shouldn’t expect any reason from them.

Yeah but… That involves people, and that’s something I don’t like.

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The US war of independence started mostly because super rich shipowners didn’t like the idea of tea not having to be transported to London first, but could come directly from India and Indonesia.

That would save a ton of money for the American colonists, but it would cut out all those wealthy shipowners (and smugglers) who ran the London-America routes.

So they lied to the people do their dirty work for them.