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Sweetheart, just because I haven’t committed suicide-by-cop doesn’tean I’m not resisting. You sound like incredibly fertile soil for the fascists to plant their seed in when they inevitably try to take your country over. You should learn some empathy before that happens.

I never said anything about Democrats. Anyway, the Democrats are a conservative party, they’re just less conservative than Republicans.

*conservatives

Don’t lump me in with the nazis

Maybe I’m just mostly in lefty circles, but who the fuck wasn’t mad until Renee Goode and Alex Pretti? I’ve been seeing constant rage against ice for a couple of years now atleast.

No, they’re not going to change anything. We have to do that, and we can do that while still voting. No one in this thread is even arguing against anything I’m actually saying, you included.

Of course I was outraged that that was all happening under Democrats. You might notice I haven’t been praising them.

Just because they’re both awful, doesn’t mean that one of them isn’t worse. Pointing out “but hey, blue team bad too” doesn’t contradict that. Failing to vote against Republicans is just giving them ground. In 2024 we gave them ground and they built brand new concentration camps on it. Are you not outraged at that? Do you not wish that could have been avoided?

I’m all for organization. It is quite literally the only path to positive change here. But that doesn’t mean we can stop voting. We have to do both.

If you really do genuinely believe that they’re both the same, then why even bring up the idea of voting? Why spend time, effort and attention convincing people to reduce their civic engagement instead of convincing them to increase their civic engagement?

If they’re both the same then what’s the point of convincing people not to vote against the Republicans? Wouldn’t it make more sense to focus on getting people to organize?

Sorry, did you not manage to read the second sentence? Yes, voting third party is the same as not voting. A third party has never once won, and expecting that to change before the voting system changes is completely delusional.

And honestly, I don’t really care if you vote for the Democrats or not. But I do know, if your ass is too lazy and stupid to actually vote. You’re not organizing. Honestly if you people spent half as much time actually organizing as you do campaigning for Republicans, we might actually be making some progress.

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You should show that to Renee Good’s family, or maybe one of the thousands of people in a brand new concentration camp instead of with their families like they were 2 years ago. I’m sure they’ll get a kick out of it.

That’s just not voting but with extra steps. The US used first past the post.

Pretending that they’re the same is just as delusional as pretending the Democrats are good. I agree that we have to get organized, but if we can’t even fucking vote then actual organization is a pipedream.

Not voting against them still gives them ground for no benefit.

You’re delusional if you think things haven’t gotten dramatically worse every time trump has been in office. But hey, US is already shit, right? Worse is impossible, right?

Good point. Voting would make that impossible.

Remember, you can’t vote and also resist at the same time! /s

No, 'murca bad so china good. Simple math, shitlib /s

I’m so selfish for not wanting to end up in a concentration camp. And the rest of the world is now so much better off with Donald Trump at the helm of the biggest military in the world.

Things are definitely better in places like Ukraine and Gaza. The Trump regime has absolutely had their best interests at heart. /S

Ok. But the Dems and Republicans aren’t the same. Like I agree with you that our system is beyond fucked, but that doesn’t mean both of our shitty parties are equally shitty. If you want to pretend like the Obama or Biden administrations were the same as the Trump administration you just as much in a fantasy as someone who thinks the Democrats are actually competent and well-meaning.

Like shit, I’m not pretending like voting is the be-all end-all of civic action: FAR from it. That’s why voting, at best, is harm reduction. But fuck, it’s so goddamn easy, and why would we want to ceade ground for no reason?