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    15 days ago

    This is clearly fake, where is Reagan? You’re telling me those chucklefucks didn’t invite Ron?

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        16 days ago

        I mean, It could be Photoshop/GIMP but, in current year why not use AI? Do you demand purely wet ware fake image slop?

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          16 days ago

          I demand they recreate this meme by cloning all of these men and raising them to the proper age to create a real photo!

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          It could be Photoshop/GIMP but, in current year why not use AI?

          Because you want them to have the correct number of limbs and heads.

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            That sort of assumption is rapidly becoming obsolete. Don’t get too lazy assuming AI slop will be easily spotted for long.

            Soon AI will even add in “mistakes” that are more “human” or fake artifacts of image editing by other means.

            Don’t go gently into that goodnight of blindly accepting AI, but don’t underestimate how fast it’s changing.

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    15 days ago

    I don’t wish death on anyone. I wish their awareness and repentance while they live and breathe. It is rare an ego is strong enough to sit face to face with their actions and truly come to terms with it but I imagine that is what hell is if it exists. The ultimate punishment is healing in that the absolute worst thing that can be done to evil is to transform it into its opposite.

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      I used to say stuff like that. Now I’m old and I don’t care. You know that old saying “I have never wished for a man’s death, but I have read certain obituariesries with great pleasure?”

      Yeah, that’s not me, I wish for certain peoples’ deaths all the time,AND read their obituaries with great pleasure.

      Lindsey Graham’s surprise death made my week!

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        15 days ago

        I think there’s far more intriguing outcomes than them dying, particularly having the courage to come to terms with their actions and repenting. Death is like the easiest solution possible.

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            8 days ago

            Certain ideas are difficult to kill, like the idea of war or the idea of tribalism or the idea of trying to control everyone. It ebbs and flows, falls in and out of fashion so to speak.

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      I think the morality here is fine, but you’re ignoring the reality of the harm that these people cause when you act like wishing death upon them is inherently immoral and contradictory to the belief that human beings are capable of and bettered by change.

      Whether or not these things are true, these people are not going to change, either because they’re dead and the damage is done, or because there is nothing that will force them to stop what they’re doing besides that death. You’re talking about people who advocate and facilitate genocide on the scale of millions, billions if you recognize the potential harm from climate change and their roles in defending capitalism against climate change mitigation. Yes, I wish death on them, because that cannot continue but will continue so long as this system exists and this system exists to maintain their positions of power. These people want to kill me personally (Charlie Kirk literally advocated for my genocide until his dying breath), and millions of others whom are also justified in prefering them dead over reformed. I don’t care about an altruistically “ultimate” punishment, I care about not being killed brutally for no reason at all, and that doesn’t require me to sacrifice the ideal that people can change.

      Focusing on the idealistic underpinnings of these things exclusively is a tremendous sign of privilege as person who is not immediately affected by the actions that these men committed themselves to. Guess what, they won’t repent or recognize their actions, not because of their “weak egos,” but because this system privileges them and insulates them from the consequences of their actions and any retribution that may be inflicted on them as a symbolic challenge to this system. These men would rather die than change or lose that privilege, and they’re killing on scales our brains can’t even actually comprehend for much less than that. To act as though it is a sign of altruism yourself to value moral purity over the practical reality that their violence is only ended through their deaths is much more selfish than you seem to realize. Even further, I don’t think you get to pick the ultimate punishment for someone who apparently hasn’t threatened you the way they do me or the victims of their genocide. I don’t care about punishment at all, but I certainly wouldn’t refuse death or violence as a punishment to someone whose entire family was killed by these men, or whose ancestral home was uprooted and poisoned, or whose children have to live scared their entire lives, or who was raped as a child and then publicly shamed for resisting them.

      Maybe apply some of that purported empathy to an understanding that the moral purity of some fucking powerful men is not more important than the victims of their violence or the justice they seek. And before you say some other shit about how you know better for the satisfaction of those victims, consider that they may never be able to heal until that desire for punishment is satisfied, and then explain why their healing is less important than these men healing from “evil.”

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        Never said that wishing death was necessarily immoral but I personally wouldn’t feel well doing so, so I don’t. I still don’t see the difference in wishing death and wishing them to change if one is not going to take direct actions on their desire. Both are just internal states of one’s own mind short of action being taken to make those internal states external realities.

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          Yes, you are when you say that wishing death is different from wanting perpetrators to change. Even then, this assumes that their changing would be enough for their victims to feel that justice has been done, but again, you don’t care about them. And now there’s no difference so long as the victim can’t personally deliver that justice by killing these men? Wow, how convenient, it’s almost like that way of thinking would mean that they’re responsible to end that harm to be justified in wishing death on these men rather than change.

          That your response was to attempt some bullshit first year mind-body problem argument is telling too. You seriously dont give a shit about why these men are bad or how their victims feel, you just saw an opportunity to flex some fantasy morally pure version of yourself. You feel right about that as long as you can be moral about forgiving some monster who didn’t hurt you, is now dead, and therefore can never challenge your stance on them? Nice, yeah dude, you’re so dedicated to reform.

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        People will accept physical torture long before they will truly accept seeing themselves. Physical torment I think is the simplest understanding one can give for what the mind truly fears.

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          Right, you ever have your finger nails peeled off with some pliers? What about having your bones broken and purposefully misaligned over and over for months? Or have you spent days forcefully conscious and alert on meth despite having so many parts of your body cut and peeled off that you should have gone into shock and passed out within minutes? No, many people would not choose that over therapy; men, maybe, lol

          Another news flash for you: you are a physical thing that exists in a physical world. Physical pain is not “simple,” it is literally the only sensation you experience, including the way that emotional pain manifests because of the neurons firing in your brain. I seriously don’t believe in you’ve grappled with the reality of these things and you don’t deserve to speak as the authority you seem to think you are. You don’t have some deeper, more nuanced understanding of these things, you are being reductive in an attempt to appear thoughtful, and it’s actually so fucking disrespectful to the victims of these men. I wasn’t even going to write this but my god, how self-righteous and pompous.

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            8 days ago

            The thing about torture is people will tell you whatever you want to hear. It’s well known that it’s not useful for getting the truth out of someone.

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        I dunno. On one hand, eternity is so long that we cannot possibly comprehend it even if we tried. That seems a tad bit excessive for transgressions committed in the tiny blip of one’s own mortal existence.

        On the other hand, I think eventually you’d get used to the fire and brimstone and burning pitchforks and just start enjoying things regardless.

        True punishment would be forcing those people to live the lives of every one of their victims, to directly face the consequences of their actions and accept accountability for what they’ve done, and then begin the long road to redemption and eventual forgiveness if they so choose to see the error of their ways, make amends, and change for the better in mind, body and soul.

        Of course, that’s a fantasy. The evil dickheads will die and never have to face any consequences for fucking everything up.