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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
“Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support ‘Israel’[1]? That’s genocidal against Germans.”
Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.
Not a joke, they call this “Staatsräson”. ↩︎
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“they’ll do to us what we did to them” and then there’s every AES ever and also south africa to show that no, no. no.
but this myth is still going strong.
In this very thread someone seems to be saying that the nationalism of colonized people is the same as european blood and soil nationalism.
They also have “proud Zionist” in their bio which regardless if ironic or not is a sign that someone is a moronic piece of shit with no morals
They called Israel a “national liberation state” in the other comment, which regardless of how many layers of irony are happening seems to be an attempt to dismiss Palestinian national liberation which is deeply disgusting.
I just replied to your other comment
I saw that actually
I know people give trots lots of shit (I do too) but they don’t have takes this bad or as morally reprehensible
(if you check the comments this person made they say stuff like Marxism isn’t moralistic which is true but it’s not like that means that you shouldn’t have morals after all everyone recognizes thatremoved is wrong no matter the context)
They reference Bordiga and constantly admonish national liberation movements in the global south, including Palestinian liberation, and argue against the dissolution of imperialist states as it would “destroy value” and therefore put the advance to socialism backward.
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And where is the most imperialistic country in Europe, Russia ruled by right wing authoritarian regime.
Country well known for constant invigilation, killing opposition, journalists, activists, LGBT people and so on. Country that wants to rebuild old imperium, attacked Ukraine and want to demilitarize eaastern Europe and so on.
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In a last year, how many wars was started by France? How many times France was aggressive towards neighbours? How many times wanted other independent country to cut ties to its allies and get rid of military?
But there’s Africa and other parts of the world. Yes. And Russian forces are also there
We know that usa is the biggest imperialist, but it’s not the only one.
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So France bad because it’s exploiting Africa, but when ruSSia is doing the same thing and way worst things in Europe “that’s doesn’t change the fact…”?
Noone is saying that France is good or not exploiting Africa, but one of us is pretending that Russia is not doing worst things.
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Do you bite, the hand that feeds you? Do you stay , down on your knees?
Of course these fuckers won’t unilaterally speak out against authoritarians.
EDIT : these people are the kind that will say “Down with rainbow capitalism” and if you ask them “because of the rainbows or because of the capitalism?” they will refuse to give a straight answer.
This feels like whataboutism, especially if the poster is American. I’m Canadian and I mainly criticize Canada/US/Israel, because that’s the empire I’m a citizen of.
So commenting about imperialist state under anti imperialistic meme is whataboutism?
And I’m living in Europe, and I criticize imperialism that doesn’t affect me that much like usa, Israel, but also Russian imperialism and attack on independent country Ukraine, and that is showing Europe and Poland as it’s enemy. I’m also criticizing Chinese exploitation of Africa, so the thing that gives us very cheap goods.
But what this have to do with the topic, I don’t know.
“So commenting about imperialist state under anti imperialistic meme is whataboutism?”
Sometimes. Commenting about any topic can be whataboutism if it fits the definition.
If I was saying “death to the IDF” and the comment was “what about the Russian military???”, ya, that would be whataboutism.
How in a hell you get the idea, that meme about white imperialism is about one specific country, like USA, not other imperialistic states like Russia or Israel? You know, that russia and Israel are also mostly white?
that meme about white imperialism is about one specific country
I’m talking about the post, which is primarily about Israel and it’s allies. Your comment was wholly unproductive
So let’s pretend, that only western imperialism is the problem, good :D
Oh so let’s pretend only eastern imperialism is bad, got you!! (Now I’m doing the whataboutism)
Ngl “whataboutism” has always appeared to be a pseudo intellectual criticism.
It’s consistent to expect a unilateral criticism, and sometimes, people don’t do that because they actually are hypocrites.
God you can just read what a word means before talking about it.
I know what it means, thanks. I stand by what I said.
If those feddit.org mods knew how to read this post they’d be very upset.
They can’t even see it anymore, because of the defederation. Which is very much a good thing. I can just imagine how those feddit trolls would react to this.
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Yes, it’s always projection. The reason they’re afraid of these things is because the imperial core did them and still does them and they project that on the global south.
So like, where would I go?
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I’m not sure I understand what this comment means.
Mocking left-wing nationalists since it doesn’t solve anything for those actually being oppressed (3rd world proletariat) and just promotes “blood and soil” type shit
I’m still not sure I understand. Are you saying that it doesn’t help the third world proletariat for stolen land to be returned to them and for them to have self-determination? Would it not help Palestinians to have their land returned and have control of their own nation?
No it doesn’t help the proletariat, it only changes who the oppressor is and arguably only makes it easier and cheaper in the long run for foreign imperial powers to economically exploit them.
This article honestly sums it up better than I ever could and isn’t too long, I’d recommend giving it a read.
Also, national liberation would simply not work in Palestine - after all, do you really believe that if Palestinians came out furiously waving their flags one morning, it’d make Israel (which is another national liberation state btw) feel bad and stop their genocide and settling?
national liberation would simply not work in Palestine
Congratulations you have the same take as the corrupt as fuck Palestinian authority
what do you propose that we give up and just let ourselves be killed to the point of extermination ??
I know this isn’t hexbear but This is Ramadan and I see this shit
No human language can describe the anger I am feeling right now.
I’m sorry you had to see this kind of garbage comment. Embarrassing that we have “leftists” willing to say things like this.
Thank you comrade
I genuinely wonder where people like this come from cause it’s like they were designed in lab specifically to piss you off
I am not talking about opposing China or Vietnam because for years most western communists opposed china and Maoists in China do oppose pretty much every country in the world including countries like Cuba
I am specifically referring to them sayings Israel is a “national liberation” state ??? and the nonsensical implication that the Palestinian Proletariat should unite wit the Israeli proletariat to overthrow their perspective bourgeoisie
not a single communist in either Palestine or Israel would tell you this because it’s dumb
it’s the equivalent of telling Black people during the civil rights protests that they shouldn’t fight against segregation and instead should unite with the white working class
I’m sorry, comrade.
thanks bro
Israel (which is another national liberation state btw
Israel is a settler colonial state. That is the exact opposite of national liberation. What are you talking about?
national liberation does not only apply to anti-colonial movements
Okay, but that it still doesn’t apply to Isreal. Its a settler colonial state. They took the land from people who were already living there. How could you possibly call that “national liberation”?
Mocking left-wing nationalists since it doesn’t solve anything for those actually being oppressed (3rd world proletariat)
So did the revolutions in Vietnam, or cuba, or north korea, or burkina faso, etc. not help the proletariat and just lead to “blood and soil type shit.” All of those involved colonized people taking back their land and involved elements of nationalism.
Can you name a time this happened?
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National liberation from imperialism and colonialism is a good thing, actually.
As a Motor for liberation.
Nationalism must be abandoned and the national Elite is not allowed to be formed, be it bureaucratic or capitalist.
Otherwise it is just a vehicle from one oppression to the next.
Nationalism as a reaction to imperialism and colonialism is progressive, and aids the liberatory movement. Nationalism in the context of an imperialist country solidifies imperialism. Nationalism is not something that exists in the abstract, but instead is highly contextual.
i think i’d clarify that there’s a difference between having a national identity and organizing a state around national supremacism. i want to live in a place where i am allowed to be Appalachian. i do not want to live in a place where Appalachian is a state promoted identity and other identities are excluded
There’s also a difference between the kinds of progressive nationalist movements like Algeria in kicking out the French, and creating a national supremacist state.
Yes and therefore after the national liberation was achieved the context of Nationalism Changes drastically
Sure.
interesting, but national liberation doesn’t create global socialism instantly, so its bad actually. I am very intelligentOh duh I should’ve realized!
how? the people of the global south to my experiece see their role in the world to act as responsible parties to the land they are indigenous to. the people of the global north, be they 1st world or 2nd world, have invaded this land, don’t respect its laws, and have claimed it as their own. this is what is meant by stolen land. it’s not a blood and soil thing where the land belongs to the people via bloodright. it’s more accurate to say the people belong to the land, be that indigenous american relationships to turtle island or the concept in palestinian teaching that they are seeds.
i’m ready adjust my stance, but your notion that landback movements to return people to their stolen land and allow them to manage their society based on their relationship to the land being anti-left, or even fascist, strikes me as very odd at best, and possibly paternalistic at worst
racist post.
Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.
Do you care about the rules here?
Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend: Racism
Top item in rule 7’s list.
I wonder if you even realise you’re doing it. The false equivalence, the collective blame by skin colour alone…
[Edit: not to mention the apparently absent consideration of the colonized white people with their land stolen, because that would defeat the racist narrative presented here in the OP image.]
This isn’t racism
You’re just in the post and you don’t like it
Fragile little colonizer
There is no such thing as anti-white racism.
You aint a real leftist unless you swallow every sabotage stance ever invented by COINTELPRO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Hoc_Committee_for_a_Marxist-Leninist_Party
[T]he time for building a multinational party has not yet come. Since Blacks are more advanced politically than whites (as are Latins, American Indians, etc.), the amalgamation of all groups in one party would result in fragmentation, disunity and the rapid dissolution of such a party. Racism is still so strong as to separate all but the most revolutionary of comrades. […] Blacks must work with Blacks, Latins with Latins, whites with whites.
- An Undercover CIA Agent
The fact that “white” once excluded “Irish” under certain conditions doesn’t make anti-white racism real.
Racsists love to “um akshually the Irish weren’t white, ergo anti-white rascism is real somehow”
Btw, one of these crackers copy pasted the I Have a Dream speech to prove that anti-white rascism is real. They aren’t sending their best
They view racism as an idea from which material forces arise, rather than the other way around.
Btw, one of these crackers copy pasted the I Have a Dream speech to prove that anti-white rascism is real.
lmao
Amazing. You a Mossad asset, or just helping them for the love of the game?
You got me, Mossad agents want you to understand whiteness.
There is no such thing as anti-white racism.
That’s fun when uttered in intentional irony, satirically mocking the implausibility, ignorance, bigotry, denialism, etc. But I suspect you are saying that in all seriousness.
I’m genuinely baffled that you think I or other people who have said the same thing are being ironic. As others have pointed out, racism requires power structures. Anti-white “racism” isn’t real because it has no power structure to enforce it.
not enough people know racism != bigotry
edit: okay, i guess i have to expain.
explanation of the difference between racism and bigotry
what most people call racism is a form of bigotry. in this case what they are talking about is discrimination, hate speech, and hate action based on the socially derived construct of race. what race has been throughout the ages has changed. but some contributing factors to race are phenotype (skin tone, bone structure, hair color, eye color, other physical attributes), national identity, language spoken, and religious practice. in our current age of scientific racism, the most common factors for discrimination on race are phenotype and familial belonging through genetics.
racism is influenced by bigotry, but does not require bigotry to sustain itself. usually racism is established through bigotry and then maintained through access to capital. what racism is is structural social imbalance based on race. racism requires a power shructure that favors one group based on the socially derived construct of race at the expense of another, or multiple other, groupings.
one of the most common misconceptions is that whiteness is determined by skin tone. it is not. whiteness is access to privelege in a color-coded racist society. let’s start by using the racist structure that’s most familiar to me to explain. i live in the so-called united states. i have always live in majority minority neighborhoods. the fact that this is even possible, for me to have lived my entire life in majority minority neighborhoods, suggests a problem. my current neighborhood, my neighbors are all pale. they are, however, not white. they don’t get to be white because the primary determinant of whiteness in the so-called united states because they have accents and dress a little bit differently. for this, the determiners of whiteness, the police, harass them. in otherwords, the police use their access to violence to maintain a racial hierarchy that my neighbors don’t get to benefit from because they’re not white, they’re pale.
this is what is meant when people say “you can’t be racist against white people.” if you could, that would mean they’re not white, because racism requires you having access to privelege in a racial hierarchy and whiteness is who benefits from that. you can be biggoted against white people. and in fact white people with proximity to poverty frequently endure bigotry for not performing whiteness correctly. often, because they’ve grown up in majority minority neighborhoods and have picked up social behaviors from people who do not get to be white, be that how they talk, how they dress, or even how the approach problem solving. if you’ve ever heard the term “white trash” you’ve heard a slur for poor white people that often the people around them take more offense to than they do.
edit 2: boo me all you like. @LeninWeave@lemmy.ml and i rarely agree, and in this case we do, and i’m gonna celebrate that for us. go read a book or something
I liked your explanation and thought it was good. I’m confused by multiple people in 2026 commenting and voting in a place called “leftymemes” not understanding such a basic concept as “racism requires privilege”.
You can tell it’s true even by thinking about it quickly without any deep analysis: a definition of racism based purely on prejudice would treat “cracker” and the n-slur at categorically equivalent, which is obviously ridiculous.
someone can be prejudiced against white people but simple prejudice is not racism on its own. racism requires social structures
takes 2 seconds to pull up
racism
/rā′sĭz″əm/
noun
- The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
- The belief that one race is superior to all others.
- Prejudice or discrimination based upon race.
academic language is more precise than vulgar usage of terms
Of course they are serious. Because there is no such thing as anti-white racism
I long for the spirit of MLK’s sentiment, when he said:
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day down in Alabama with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, one day right down in Alabama little Black boys and Black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God’s children will be able to sing with new meaning: My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrims’ pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that, let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, Black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last.
Before the Orwellianisms.
You’re a clown
Cracker
